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Traveller-digest     Tuesday, December 14 1999     Volume 1999 : Number 1493<BR>
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(R)1996. Traveller is a registered trademark of FarFuture Enterprises.<BR>
All rights reserved.<BR>
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The following topics are covered in this digest:<BR>
<BR>
Australia under orbital bombardment<BR>
Re: SEC: UNCLASSIFIED Starship re-payments<BR>
RE: Kids in the Hall<BR>
Re: Australia under orbital bombardment<BR>
Re: SEC: UNCLASSIFIED Starship re-payments<BR>
Re: SEC: UNCLASSIFIED Starship re-payments<BR>
Re: SEC: UNCLASSIFIED Starship re-payments<BR>
Re: Australia under orbital bombardment<BR>
Re: Traveller News Service<BR>
Re: Mass communication, the nobility and epistemology (LONG)<BR>
Re: Paintball is not a real gun, much less a light crew served weapon<BR>
Re: Silly Traveller<BR>
RE: technology advances<BR>
Re: Traveller miniatures<BR>
Re: Paintball and morality (was Re: OT/Flamebait ...)<BR>
Re: SEC: UNCLASSIFIED Starship re-payments<BR>
Re: Munchkins<BR>
Re: Paintball and morality (was Re: OT/Flamebait ...)<BR>
Re:  GURPS Aliens (not GT Alien Races) in Traveller<BR>
Re: Traveller News Service<BR>
Re: Re Infantry<BR>
Re: Full auto Pilgramage Pics...and DITZIE?!?!<BR>
Re: SEC: UNCLASSIFIED Starship re-payments<BR>
Re: Re Vector Maintenance<BR>
Re: Traveller News Service<BR>
Re: Deserts<BR>
Re: Munchkins<BR>
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Date: Tue, 14 Dec 1999 11:20:39 -0500<BR>
From: Walter Smith <SmithW@HARTWICK.EDU><BR>
Subject: Australia under orbital bombardment<BR>
<BR>
Check this out:<BR>
<BR>
http://www.cnn.com/1999/TECH/space/12/10/australia.meteorite.ap/<BR>
<BR>
"Australian Authorities: Meteorite Likely Damaged Resevoir"<BR>
<BR>
Must be a black war op, they're going for the civilian infrastructure<BR>
first... <G><BR>
<BR>
Walt Smith<BR>
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Date: Tue, 14 Dec 1999 12:37:23 -0400<BR>
From: Michel Vaillancourt <misha@empire.atlantic-online.ns.ca><BR>
Subject: Re: SEC: UNCLASSIFIED Starship re-payments<BR>
<BR>
At 02:51 AM 12/14/99 PST, you wrote:<BR>
>In mail you write:<BR>
><BR>
>> How are starship payments figured? In the book it says (from memory...) its<BR>
>> 20% down payment plus 1/240th every month for 480 months giving a total<BR>
>> return of 240% to the bank.<BR>
>><BR>
>> What RL model is this using? Is there a handy formula for the effect of<BR>
>> differing years or if extra is paid?<BR>
><BR>
>Check out formulas for calculating loans at differing interest rates.<BR>
>Plug in the principal (cost of ship minus the down payment), the term<BR>
>(40 years), the payment interval (monthly) and solve for the interest<BR>
>rate. I expect that you'll be surprised how *low* it is. The more<BR>
>payments you make (actually the longer the period you make them over)<BR>
>the more that interest eats up. Your early payments can be 90% or more<BR>
>interests with only the remainder actually reducing the principal. <BR>
><BR>
>-- <BR>
>Leonard Erickson (aka Shadow)<BR>
<BR>
        Hi, Leonard!<BR>
        <BR>
        Given a random sampling of loan values and tweaking appropriately,<BR>
for example:<BR>
<BR>
        480	number of payments<BR>
        100	loan value  (MCr)<BR>
        0.42	payement  (MCr)<BR>
<BR>
        I get a result of ~0.33% Interest Rate.  If you work on a 1%<BR>
interest rate, you wind up with payments of MCr1.01 for the above loan.  For<BR>
7% (a good house mortgage) you get MCr7 per payment.<BR>
<BR>
        Looks like the Imperium is *VERY* in favor of trade between planets,<BR>
to the point of subsidizing interest rates.<BR>
<BR>
        --Michel<BR>
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Date: Tue, 14 Dec 1999 17:33:53 -0000<BR>
From: "Trevor, Peter" <Peter.Trevor@rb.cwplc.com><BR>
Subject: RE: Kids in the Hall<BR>
<BR>
I wrote:<BR>
> I'm sending this offlist.<snip><BR>
<BR>
Oops!  Sorry guys, that'll teach me to rush off an email during a<BR>
30 second coffee break.<BR>
<BR>
Regards PLST<BR>
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Date: Tue, 14 Dec 1999 10:44:54 -0700<BR>
From: Bruce Johnson <johnson@pharmacy.arizona.edu><BR>
Subject: Re: Australia under orbital bombardment<BR>
<BR>
Hah! According to something my wife saw, some old geezer in the town was<BR>
demanding compensation from the town for the inconvenience of having his<BR>
water turned off and consequently having to drink beer for the<BR>
duration....<BR>
<BR>
Any truth to this?<BR>
<BR>
Walter Smith wrote:<BR>
> <BR>
> Check this out:<BR>
> <BR>
> http://www.cnn.com/1999/TECH/space/12/10/australia.meteorite.ap/<BR>
> <BR>
> "Australian Authorities: Meteorite Likely Damaged Resevoir"<BR>
> <BR>
> Must be a black war op, they're going for the civilian infrastructure<BR>
> first... <G><BR>
> <BR>
> Walt Smith<BR>
<BR>
- -- <BR>
Bruce Johnson<BR>
University of Arizona<BR>
College of Pharmacy<BR>
Information Technology Group<BR>
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Date: Tue, 14 Dec 1999 17:44:46 +0000<BR>
From: Phil Kitching <postmark.design@btinternet.com><BR>
Subject: Re: SEC: UNCLASSIFIED Starship re-payments<BR>
<BR>
Michel Vaillancourt <misha@empire.atlantic-online.ns.ca> wrote:<BR>
<BR>
>>Leonard Erickson (aka Shadow)<BR>
><BR>
>        Hi, Leonard!<BR>
>        <BR>
>        Given a random sampling of loan values and tweaking appropriately,<BR>
>for example:<BR>
><BR>
>        480	number of payments<BR>
>        100	loan value  (MCr)<BR>
>        0.42	payement  (MCr)<BR>
><BR>
>        I get a result of ~0.33% Interest Rate.  If you work on a 1%<BR>
>interest rate, you wind up with payments of MCr1.01 for the above loan.  For<BR>
>7% (a good house mortgage) you get MCr7 per payment.<BR>
<BR>
the loan amount is 80MCr, you forgot the 20% down<BR>
according to Excel, RATE(40,-5,80) (40 years, 5MCr/year, initial value 80MCr)<BR>
gives an interest rate of 5.5%<BR>
<BR>
Phil Kitching<BR>
- --<BR>
  http://www.btinternet.com/~salvo/<BR>
  Postmark Design Bureau, Emerging Technologies Division.<BR>
 "Microwaving half-baked ideas from across the Galaxy"<BR>
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Date: Tue, 14 Dec 1999 13:55:13 -0400<BR>
From: Michel Vaillancourt <misha@empire.atlantic-online.ns.ca><BR>
Subject: Re: SEC: UNCLASSIFIED Starship re-payments<BR>
<BR>
At 05:44 PM 12/14/99 +0000, you wrote:<BR>
>>        I get a result of ~0.33% Interest Rate.  If you work on a 1%<BR>
>>interest rate, you wind up with payments of MCr1.01 for the above loan.  For<BR>
>>7% (a good house mortgage) you get MCr7 per payment.<BR>
><BR>
>the loan amount is 80MCr, you forgot the 20% down<BR>
>according to Excel, RATE(40,-5,80) (40 years, 5MCr/year, initial value 80MCr)<BR>
>gives an interest rate of 5.5%<BR>
><BR>
>Phil Kitching<BR>
<BR>
        Odd.  I just ran what you posted and got a "no solution" condition<BR>
again.  Time to reinstall MS-Office.<BR>
        <BR>
        However, that is a very attactive rate, nonetheless.  The economy<BR>
must be pretty good in the 3i.<BR>
<BR>
        Thanks, Phil!<BR>
<BR>
        --Michel<BR>
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Date: Tue, 14 Dec 1999 17:58:29 +0000<BR>
From: Phil Kitching <postmark.design@btinternet.com><BR>
Subject: Re: SEC: UNCLASSIFIED Starship re-payments<BR>
<BR>
Michel Vaillancourt <misha@empire.atlantic-online.ns.ca> wrote:<BR>
<BR>
>        Given a random sampling of loan values and tweaking appropriately,<BR>
>for example:<BR>
><BR>
>        480	number of payments<BR>
>        100	loan value  (MCr)<BR>
>        0.42	payement  (MCr)<BR>
><BR>
>        I get a result of ~0.33% Interest Rate.  If you work on a 1%<BR>
>interest rate, you wind up with payments of MCr1.01 for the above loan.  For<BR>
>7% (a good house mortgage) you get MCr7 per payment.<BR>
<BR>
One other thing, your rates are per month.<BR>
<BR>
I wouldn't call a mortgage of 7% per month "good"<BR>
<BR>
;-)<BR>
<BR>
Phil Kitching<BR>
- --<BR>
  http://www.btinternet.com/~salvo/<BR>
  Postmark Design Bureau, Emerging Technologies Division.<BR>
 "Microwaving half-baked ideas from across the Galaxy"<BR>
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Date: Tue, 14 Dec 1999 09:59:24<BR>
From: "Douglas E. Berry" <gridlore@pop.mindspring.com><BR>
Subject: Re: Australia under orbital bombardment<BR>
<BR>
At 11:20 AM 12/14/1999 -0500, you wrote:<BR>
>Check this out:<BR>
><BR>
>http://www.cnn.com/1999/TECH/space/12/10/australia.meteorite.ap/<BR>
><BR>
>"Australian Authorities: Meteorite Likely Damaged Resevoir"<BR>
<BR>
The consenceous on rec.arts.sf.fandom was that when dug up, the meteor will<BR>
have an inscription in Martian reading: "Well, how do you like having<BR>
probes dropped on your heads?"<BR>
- -- <BR>
<BR>
Douglas E. Berry       gridlore@mindspring.com<BR>
http://gridlore.home.mindspring.com/index.html<BR>
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Date: Tue, 14 Dec 1999 10:46:43 -0800 (PST)<BR>
From: Glenn Goffin <gmgoffin@yahoo.com><BR>
Subject: Re: Traveller News Service<BR>
<BR>
>From: "Rupert Boleyn" <rboleyn@paradise.net.nz><BR>
<BR>
>> Urrr, not really.  Technically the Solomani Rim War<BR>
>> was a civil war.<BR>
<BR>
>You mean like your little war of independence was a<BR>
>civil war?<BR>
<BR>
That's not a bad analogy.  Those were both civil wars<BR>
in which the rebels won and formed a new state.<BR>
<BR>
- --Glenn<BR>
<BR>
__________________________________________________<BR>
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Date: Tue, 14 Dec 1999 10:53:41 -0800 (PST)<BR>
From: Glenn Goffin <gmgoffin@yahoo.com><BR>
Subject: Re: Mass communication, the nobility and epistemology (LONG)<BR>
<BR>
>From: shadow@krypton.rain.com (Leonard Erickson)<BR>
>Subject: Re: Mass communication, the nobility and<BR>
>epistemology (LONG)<BR>
<BR>
To paraphrase a well-known German, whenever I hear the<BR>
word "epistomology" (at least on the TML), I reach for<BR>
my gauss pistol.<BR>
<BR>
>> Besides <assume meanacing psycho voice> I know 250 <BR>
>>ways to kill you with a tiny knife blade like<BR>
that...<BR>
<BR>
>It's long enough to cut the jugular. What move do you<BR>
<BR>
>need?<BR>
<BR>
Just sharpness and skill.  Actually the carotid is a<BR>
better target (it's an artery, so more blood will be<BR>
lost more quickly leading to quicker unconsciousness<BR>
and death, as opposed to the jugular, which is a<BR>
vein).  Both are protected by slippery and thick<BR>
sheaths (I've forgotten what they call the stuff that<BR>
surrounds blood vessels -- myolin or something), so a<BR>
very sharp blade is essential.  You also have to know<BR>
where to cut.  <BR>
<BR>
- --Glenn<BR>
__________________________________________________<BR>
Do You Yahoo!?<BR>
Thousands of Stores.  Millions of Products.  All in one place.<BR>
Yahoo! Shopping: http://shopping.yahoo.com<BR>
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Date: Tue, 14 Dec 1999 19:06:48 +0000<BR>
From: SD Mooney <dom@cybergoths.u-net.com><BR>
Subject: Re: Paintball is not a real gun, much less a light crew served weapon<BR>
<BR>
At 21:16 -0500 13/12/99, "Terry Carlino" <carlino@home.com> wrote:<BR>
<BR>
> >But it just occured to me that some PC out the *has* to be carrying a<BR>
> >paintball gun with "napalm" ammo. Though I admit it'd be more likely in<BR>
> >a White Wolf type game.<BR>
><BR>
>Holy water. To fight Vampires you load your paintballs with Holy Water.<BR>
<BR>
Nah, buy a crew served Super Squirter.<BR>
<BR>
Dom<BR>
<BR>
- ----------Dom Mooney---dom@cybergoths.u-net.com------------<BR>
                        MiB - Marines in Battledress<BR>
    "Protecting the Imperium from the Scum of the Galaxy"<BR>
Rob Prior's Mac software @ http://www.bits.org.uk/ <BR>
<BR>
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<BR>
Date: Tue, 14 Dec 1999 19:21:48 -0000<BR>
From: "Nicholas Wright" <Nick@corlecca.freeserve.co.uk><BR>
Subject: Re: Silly Traveller<BR>
<BR>
Leonard wrote:<BR>
<BR>
>I just watched "Raiders of the Lost Ark" again last night. Anybody got<BR>
>it on tape? If so, what's the serial number stenciled on the crate with<BR>
>the Ark in that last scene? The *exact* text of the labeling would be<BR>
>nice too.<BR>
<BR>
From what I remember of the cinema version the very last scene, prehaps<BR>
after the credits, shows the crate with the US stencil being burnt off from<BR>
the inside as if to say "You are not even the goods guys." (no offence).<BR>
This doesn't appear on the video versions I've seen and the TV versions want<BR>
to get on with the next programme too much.<BR>
<BR>
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<BR>
Date: Tue, 14 Dec 1999 11:32:52 -0000<BR>
From: "Mark Preston" <mark@mpreston.demon.co.uk><BR>
Subject: RE: technology advances<BR>
<BR>
Especially given how good Blue Streak was. Did you know that's the<BR>
basis for the Ariane 5 motor?<BR>
<BR>
- -----Original Message-----<BR>
From: owner-traveller@lists.imagiconline.com<BR>
[mailto:owner-traveller@lists.imagiconline.com]On Behalf Of Leonard<BR>
Erickson<BR>
Sent: 14 December 1999 10:49<BR>
To: traveller@lists.imagiconline.com<BR>
Subject: Re: technology advances<BR>
<BR>
<BR>
In mail you write:<BR>
<BR>
> Dear Folks -<BR>
><BR>
> Kyle wrote:<BR>
>>The Americans may have the<BR>
>>resources, but the Commonwealth has the brains!<BR>
><BR>
> Dunno about that, when the Brits decided to drop our joint<BR>
> spaceflight program at Woomera, P.M. Menzies agreed on the grounds<BR>
> that we should only produce wool and wheat...<BR>
<BR>
> Man - that annoys me! We were testing salvaged V2's and had advanced<BR>
> to producing "Blue Streak", then they came and broke them and the<BR>
> gantry's etc up for scrap. Oz could have been making a fortune on<BR>
> satellites by now.<BR>
<BR>
I *wondered* why I never heard of Woomera being used for anything.<BR>
That<BR>
*really* sucks. Shit, it wouldn't have hurt to just mothball the<BR>
launch<BR>
sites. Even "Abandoned in Place" would have been better.<BR>
<BR>
- --<BR>
Leonard Erickson (aka Shadow)<BR>
 shadow@krypton.rain.com        <--preferred<BR>
leonard@qiclab.scn.rain.com     <--last resort<BR>
<BR>
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<BR>
Date: Tue, 14 Dec 1999 11:58:26 -0800<BR>
From: shudson@lightspeed.bc.ca (Steven Hudson)<BR>
Subject: Re: Traveller miniatures<BR>
<BR>
>From: Timothy.Collinson@solent.ac.uk<BR>
>Subject: Re: My new SF miniatures site is up!<BR>
...<BR>
>My apologies, I *did* check all the TNE books (as they were TNE miniatures)<BR>
>but didn't botherto go that far back!<BR>
<BR>
  I believe that the figure in question is one of the Grenadier products<BR>
for CT. Nice figs, and 25mm is easier to find other SF figures in these<BR>
days, but there seems to be no compelling reason for the current owner<BR>
of the Grenadier catalog (Stratelibri?) to re-license for a production<BR>
run, even if they still have the masters.<BR>
<BR>
        Steven Hudson<BR>
<BR>
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<BR>
Date: Tue, 14 Dec 1999 12:25:48 -0800 (PST)<BR>
From: Kiri Aradia Morgan <tiamat@tsoft.com><BR>
Subject: Re: Paintball and morality (was Re: OT/Flamebait ...)<BR>
<BR>
On Tue, 14 Dec 1982, Glenn M. Goffin wrote:<BR>
<BR>
> The San Francisco Visitor Center has (or had, the last time I was at the<BR>
> Visitor Center) a color brochure in Japanese advertising shooting<BR>
> opportunities.  I don't read Japanese, but I do recognize it and<BR>
> advertising is not too hard to figure out.  <BR>
> <BR>
We always end up taking Japanese GoH's shooting when we do Fanime Con--<BR>
OTOH, I love Japanese AirSoft guns!<BR>
<BR>
Kiri  =)<BR>
<BR>
******************************************************************************<BR>
Kiri Aradia Morgan                                  93!  Thou Art God<BR>
tiamat@tsoft.com<BR>
<BR>
"If time passes, everything turns into beauty<BR>
If the rains stop, tears clean the scars of memory away<BR>
Everything starts wearing fresh colors<BR>
Every sound begins playing a heartfelt melody<BR>
Jealousy embellishes a page of the epic<BR>
Desire is embraced in a dream..."              -- X-JAPAN <BR>
<BR>
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<BR>
Date: Tue, 14 Dec 1999 15:34:57 -0600<BR>
From: Eris reddoch <eris@pcola.gulf.net><BR>
Subject: Re: SEC: UNCLASSIFIED Starship re-payments<BR>
<BR>
Michel Vaillancourt wrote:<BR>
> <BR>
> At 02:51 AM 12/14/99 PST, you wrote:<BR>
> >In mail you write:<BR>
> ><BR>
> >> How are starship payments figured? In the book it says (from memory...) its<BR>
> >> 20% down payment plus 1/240th every month for 480 months giving a total<BR>
> >> return of 240% to the bank.<BR>
> >><BR>
> >> What RL model is this using? Is there a handy formula for the effect of<BR>
> >> differing years or if extra is paid?<BR>
> ><BR>
> >Check out formulas for calculating loans at differing interest rates.<BR>
> >Plug in the principal (cost of ship minus the down payment), the term<BR>
> >(40 years), the payment interval (monthly) and solve for the interest<BR>
> >rate. I expect that you'll be surprised how *low* it is. The more<BR>
> >payments you make (actually the longer the period you make them over)<BR>
> >the more that interest eats up. Your early payments can be 90% or more<BR>
> >interests with only the remainder actually reducing the principal.<BR>
> ><BR>
> >--<BR>
> >Leonard Erickson (aka Shadow)<BR>
> <BR>
>         Hi, Leonard!<BR>
> <BR>
>         Given a random sampling of loan values and tweaking appropriately,<BR>
> for example:<BR>
> <BR>
>         480     number of payments<BR>
>         100     loan value  (MCr)<BR>
>         0.42    payement  (MCr)<BR>
> <BR>
>         I get a result of ~0.33% Interest Rate.  If you work on a 1%<BR>
> interest rate, you wind up with payments of MCr1.01 for the above loan.  For<BR>
> 7% (a good house mortgage) you get MCr7 per payment.<BR>
> <BR>
>         Looks like the Imperium is *VERY* in favor of trade between planets,<BR>
> to the point of subsidizing interest rates.<BR>
<BR>
Yes, but not *that* good. <g>  0.33% is a periodic interest and you<BR>
are using monthly payments. The *yearly* rate (12 months) is 0.33*12,<BR>
or ~4%.  And if you reduce the balance by a 20% downpayment up front<BR>
the rate jumps to ~5%.<BR>
<BR>
IMTU banks offer other rates for loans covering other periods. Shorter<BR>
loans generally have higher rates. The rates also vary, as do rates in<BR>
the real world.<BR>
<BR>
Eris<BR>
<BR>
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<BR>
Date: Tue, 14 Dec 1999 15:01:43 -0800<BR>
From: "Benyamene' ZeAbe' Akella" <xrp@sierratel.com><BR>
Subject: Re: Munchkins<BR>
<BR>
Via electronic medium on 12/11/99 2:38 AM, shadow@krypton.rain.com wrote:<BR>
<BR>
> BTW, it's odd, but I can't *ever* recall the *players* telling a GM<BR>
> that a rule  or power or gadget needed to be "toned down". Funny how<BR>
> that works...:-)<BR>
<BR>
I have, but my gaming group of seven or so has three primary arbiters and<BR>
others ref on occasion. That gives them a better perspective on things like<BR>
that.<BR>
<BR>
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<BR>
Date: Tue, 14 Dec 1999 18:11:08 -0500<BR>
From: "Josh W. Spencer" <macmanjws@earthlink.net><BR>
Subject: Re: Paintball and morality (was Re: OT/Flamebait ...)<BR>
<BR>
On 12/14/1999 09:28, cos 90 wrote:<BR>
> <BR>
> If you do, make sure you include an encounter with missionaries from the<BR>
> Church of Elvis. A Vegas would would attract them like moths to the porch<BR>
> light.<BR>
<BR>
HEY! The last time I played in any Traveller universe was eight years ago<BR>
and my character was kidnapped while on liberty by members of the Church of<BR>
Elvis! That was NOT a pleasant experience. :) :)<BR>
<BR>
- -- <BR>
Josh<BR>
<BR>
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<BR>
Date: Tue, 14 Dec 1999 17:13:46 -0600<BR>
From: Dan Roseberry <rosebee@troi.csw.net><BR>
Subject: Re:  GURPS Aliens (not GT Alien Races) in Traveller<BR>
<BR>
 >>>Jeff Zeitlin writes:<BR>
> >>I'd be interested in seeing various listmembers critiques of<BR>
> >>GURPS Aliens, in the context of using them in Traveler.<BR>
<snipped quotes, Anthony Jackson and other guy><BR>
> >*Pachekki: fine minor race.<BR>
> Think the K'kree will like them? Think they'll like the K'kree? <eg><BR>
>>Hm...I don't recall there being any reason for the K'kree to object to<BR>
them.<BR>
<BR>
IIRC Pachekki are supposed to be into raw live food; maybe like Jabba's<BR>
cuisine in EmpireSTB. On the other hand, while G: Aliens says that<BR>
Pachekki<BR>
are supposed to have descended from amphibians, I just can't get over<BR>
how<BR>
they look. To me, Pachekki are the Broccoli people. Its like somebody<BR>
crossed a human with a salad bowl and *Presto* you have Pachekki.<BR>
I hear K'kree like salads, by the way.<BR>
<BR>
Dan Roseberry (plop101) Destroy the K'kree!<BR>
Support Vegetable Rights Now!<BR>
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<BR>
Date: Tue, 14 Dec 1999 18:15:23 -0500<BR>
From: "Josh W. Spencer" <macmanjws@earthlink.net><BR>
Subject: Re: Traveller News Service<BR>
<BR>
From: "Rupert Boleyn" <rboleyn@paradise.net.nz><BR>
> <BR>
>>> Urrr, not really.  Technically the Solomani Rim War<BR>
>>> was a civil war.<BR>
> <BR>
>> You mean like your little war of independence was a<BR>
>> civil war?<BR>
<BR>
Then Glenn Goffin replied:<BR>
> <BR>
> That's not a bad analogy.  Those were both civil wars<BR>
> in which the rebels won and formed a new state.<BR>
I'd say the Solomani Rim War was a pyrrhic victory. The operation was a<BR>
success but the patient died. Yeah, they formed their own state, but Terra<BR>
fell under Imperial control!<BR>
At least the Solomani got Earth back in 1120!<BR>
<BR>
- -- <BR>
Josh<BR>
<BR>
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<BR>
Date: Tue, 14 Dec 1999 15:13:37<BR>
From: "Douglas E. Berry" <gridlore@pop.mindspring.com><BR>
Subject: Re: Re Infantry<BR>
<BR>
At 02:23 AM 12/14/1999 PST, you wrote:<BR>
<BR>
>> Needless to say, they got the day off.<BR>
><BR>
>So, somebody had the brains (or historical knowledge) to re-invent the<BR>
>scaling ladder. That's how they did it during medieval sieges. And<BR>
>frankly, if you know in advance you'll need to climb a wall or into a<BR>
>window and there are tress around, it's the *smart* way to do it!<BR>
<BR>
Yeah, but we were all locked into the "Army way" of doing things.  Gave us<BR>
a good shake up.<BR>
<BR>
Here lie the bones<BR>
Of Ranger Jones<BR>
A graduate of this institution<BR>
He died last night<BR>
In his first firefight<BR>
Using the School solution<BR>
- -BE FLEXIBLE!<BR>
<BR>
	--tombstone outside the orderly room, US Army Ranger School<BR>
- -- <BR>
<BR>
Douglas E. Berry       gridlore@mindspring.com<BR>
http://gridlore.home.mindspring.com/index.html<BR>
<BR>
We all enter the world in the same way: naked, screaming, soaked in blood.<BR>
But if you live your life right, that kind of thing doesn't have to stop<BR>
there.  <BR>
- -- Dana Gould <BR>
<BR>
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<BR>
Date: Tue, 14 Dec 1999 15:07:33<BR>
From: "Douglas E. Berry" <gridlore@pop.mindspring.com><BR>
Subject: Re: Full auto Pilgramage Pics...and DITZIE?!?!<BR>
<BR>
At 10:55 AM 12/14/1999 +0200, you wrote:<BR>
<BR>
>	Apparently you had much fun. I noticed that there is one major<BR>
>	difference between the weapons used in Oregon and those we use<BR>
>	in Finland. Because of local regulations are encouraged (not<BR>
>	required yet) to use suppressors (because guns cause "noise<BR>
>	pollution"). Currently all my guns (except a Benelli M3 shotgun)<BR>
>	are suppressed.<BR>
<BR>
The Gun Club was way out in the middle of nowhere.. the only building<BR>
nearby was one poor farmer.<BR>
<BR>
Even at that we were restricted to suppressed or pistol calibre up until<BR>
1000hrs. <BR>
- -- <BR>
<BR>
Douglas E. Berry       gridlore@mindspring.com<BR>
http://gridlore.home.mindspring.com/index.html<BR>
<BR>
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<BR>
Date: Tue, 14 Dec 1999 15:39:01 -0800 (PST)<BR>
From: Anthony Jackson <ajackson@molly.iii.com><BR>
Subject: Re: SEC: UNCLASSIFIED Starship re-payments<BR>
<BR>
Eris reddoch writes:<BR>
<BR>
> Yes, but not *that* good. <g>  0.33% is a periodic interest and you<BR>
> are using monthly payments. The *yearly* rate (12 months) is 0.33*12,<BR>
> or ~4%.  And if you reduce the balance by a 20% downpayment up front<BR>
> the rate jumps to ~5%.<BR>
<BR>
This in general implies several things:<BR>
1)  inflation is very low in the Imperium.  Canonical suggestion is that it is somehow magically zero due to definition of money.<BR>
2)  starships are considered 'low risk' loans; the rate the bank makes on its loan is roughly equal to the interest rate (5%) - the failure rate.  Thus, if ships fail at more than 5% per year banks lose money by making loans.  For commercial banks, it's unlikely they want less than 3% return on investment, which suggests that the loss rates for ships (including pirates, incidental damage, theft, etc) is less than 2% per year.  It also implies that merchants either don't go bankrupt very often, or that ships have a very low rate of depreciation.<BR>
<BR>
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<BR>
Date: Tue, 14 Dec 1999 15:53:05 -0800<BR>
From: "Benyamene' ZeAbe' Akella" <xrp@sierratel.com><BR>
Subject: Re: Re Vector Maintenance<BR>
<BR>
Via electronic medium on 12/11/99 5:57 PM, shadow@krypton.rain.com wrote:<BR>
<BR>
> Slight problem. There are *two* possible vectors that satisfy your<BR>
> conditions in some cases.<BR>
<BR>
Only two? Give each a fifty-fifty chance? Call it a weird function of<BR>
quantum mechanical probability fields, or other such techno-babble?<BR>
<BR>
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<BR>
Date: Tue, 14 Dec 1999 19:08:42 -0500<BR>
From: Jeff Zeitlin <jzeitlin@cyburban.com><BR>
Subject: Re: Traveller News Service<BR>
<BR>
On Tue, 14 Dec 1999 01:45:34 -0500 (EST), "Jim & Peta Lawrie"<BR>
<jimpeta@primus.com.au> wrote:<BR>
<BR>
>>I think it was suggested somewhere that nobles are not allowed to use<BR>
>>anagathics, but I think this is just a cop-out. Better - for flavour, if not for<BR>
>>stability of succession - to have the kids growing impatient and trying to bump<BR>
>>off the old man, or having abdication as a common method of succession.<BR>
>>David "Hyphen" Jaques-Watson        Beowulf Down (Tavonni/Vilis/SM 1520)<BR>
<BR>
>    These abdicated Dukes would make interesting patrons, powerful in a<BR>
>behind-the-scenes-way. The sort of Patron that PCs could devote working full<BR>
>time for as they may have very interesting (and lucrative) agendas of their<BR>
>own that may diverge from the official Ducal agenda considerably.<BR>
<BR>
Jim, this is a very good thought!  Not only that, these retired<BR>
nobles (wouldn't necessarily all be dukes, either) would have<BR>
both the time and the wherewithal to actually go out on the<BR>
adventures that seem to be fairly typical for a campaign - the<BR>
'active patron' kind of thing.<BR>
<BR>
- --<BR>
Jeff Zeitlin<BR>
jzeitlin@cyburban.com<BR>
<BR>
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<BR>
Date: Tue, 14 Dec 1999 19:12:34 -0500<BR>
From: Jeff Zeitlin <jzeitlin@cyburban.com><BR>
Subject: Re: Deserts<BR>
<BR>
On Tue, 14 Dec 1999 06:07:36 -0500 (EST), Evyn MacDude<BR>
<wmacdude@worldnet.att.net> wrote:<BR>
<BR>
>Jeff Zeitlin wrote:<BR>
<BR>
>> There are undoubtedly a large number of South Africans, Angolans,<BR>
>> Mozambiquios, Australians, New Zealanders, Brazilians, Chileans,<BR>
>> Argentines, Uruguayans, and so on who would disagree with you...<BR>
<BR>
>Jeff, you forgot Californians....  Least some of us.<BR>
<BR>
Californians (Granolans <g>) are definitely 'and so on'.<BR>
Besides, there's a _slim_ chance that you'll get snow in December<BR>
in California; it is, after all, winter there.  However, snow in<BR>
summer (as it would be in all of the [southern hemisphere]<BR>
countries I named) is entirely unlikely.  Even in Tierra del<BR>
Fuego.<BR>
- --<BR>
Jeff Zeitlin<BR>
jzeitlin@cyburban.com<BR>
<BR>
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<BR>
Date: Tue, 14 Dec 1999 16:10:28 -0800<BR>
From: "Benyamene' ZeAbe' Akella" <xrp@sierratel.com><BR>
Subject: Re: Munchkins<BR>
<BR>
Via electronic medium on 12/11/99 7:58 PM, dlpulver@kos.net wrote:<BR>
<BR>
> Poul Anderson elves<BR>
<BR>
Uh, I'm drawing a blank here, and I am supposed to be fully versed in this<BR>
stuff. Would you mind refreashing my memory lest my my WWW search proves<BR>
unfruitful?<BR>
<BR>
Chirping Elf (off in quest of /alfari poulis/)<BR>
<BR>
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